Excellent retort. And the Weatherby is remarkably solid. I’m not busting chops here but, when writing a review, Mr Leghorn, research is highly recommended prior to writing an article. Do you have any video of that? I’d care to find out more details. An improvement over the previous version for sure. All 100% correct. This rifle was designed to be fired using a scope, but the way the stock is designed means you either need to be happy with an inadequate cheek weld or get yourself a cheek riser to get your eye on the right level. I am neither of those things. Thanks for reiterating facts from Weatherby. Simply put, the camo pattern removes an object’s outline at distances from 2-2,000 yards. Look it up. As I read the comments, his flawed critic was eviscerated and showed a cavalier approach to gun review. Been around longer than most of the rifles out there today. The test rifle was chambered in .257 Weatherby magnum, a fast-stepping cartridge capable of sending a 100-grain bullet downrange at 3,600fps velocity, producing 2,880ft/lb energy. Ase Utra 14×1=14mm + Weatherby Vanguard Carbine= 14,2mm. Growing up with Weihrauch air rifles, I was spoilt with a quality Rekord trigger from an early age, and really appreciated the … Weatherby helped me out late in 2010 by announcing that they would be rolling out the Vanguard Series 2 at the beginning of 2011 chambered in a host of non-Weatherby calibers as well as the .257 and .300 Weatherby Magnums. It is two lug, therefore it is 90 degree. I wanted to see how the Vanguard ll performed compared to the Mark V, and in all honesty, it doesn’t even come close when it comes to looks, fit and finish, however when it comes to performance I would say that it’s close, very close, to the Mark V, not bad for a riflle which cost something like less than a third of it’s bigger brother, the mark V. I agree with what has been said about the “3-position” safety, I would go for the old 2-position style any day of the week, if I had the choice, but I dont, and I quickly got used to it. What other rifle of this degree of quality with a guarantee of .99 MOA or less are you going to find at this price range. I have 3 of the S2’s and like em all. What do you recommend? As far as threading the barrel for a silencer goes, that’s just dumb. Everything feels right. I bought it at Cabela’s and the guy in charge of the gun counter was no help at all. The last two 1 in ACCUMARK IN 7MM, AND THE OTHER IN ACCUGUARD 300 WEATHERBY HAVE NOT BEEN OUT ON THE HUNT YET, but I have no doubt they will shine. Take a good look at the bolt-face. Weatherby Vanguard Stainless. When I google the guns that come up the most are the Savage, Remington, Wheatherby, Tyka and sometimes Browning and Ruger. I don’t like two stage triggers typically but once you get to the second stage it breaks clean and fairly light. They haven’t traditionally been used by civilians because they haven’t been traditionally available to civilians. My “fending off” as you put it would have been the same regardless of the source. The Stevens and Savage guns can punch the holes just as well, but the Weatherby is the complete package. When its time to shoot just push it all the way forward. Can I use How Roy Weatherby Got 3,600 fps From His 257 Weatherby Magnum. (a so called silencer does not silence, it reduces the sound but the blast is still very loud). I was able to score two rounds touching, then one low but still within an inch before the rounds started drifting. Mr. Leghorn is absolutely biased against Weatherby. In short, check the box next to “fix the trigger.”. Finish: Matte blue Accuracy: * * * * * Field & Stream may receive financial compensation for products purchased through this site. One might wonder, is all this ‘fending-off’ of the opinions of others, based on a relationship rather than just allowing people to have opposing opinions in the first place. This rifle also falls into line with another pet peeve among the writers here. New for 2013 is Weatherby's “Back Country” Series 2 version of their popular Howa-actioned bolt action rifles. Also, you didn’t take the time to read (from the Weatherby website) why they specifically designed the barrel not to be free-floating. We have found through our testing that barrels having a smaller outside diameter than our #3 contour require upward pressure to help stabilize the barrel for increased accuracy. I am looking for a gun with extreme accuracy and tight groupings. MSRP: $599. Also, not a fan of the tang safety. I’m very happy with the cheek height now. One of the main complaints I had with the stock on the original version was that it wasn’t “free floating.” That is, the stock contacted the barrel. First, two lugs doesn’t mean that it has to have a 90 degrees bolt throw, it just means that Weatherby reduced how much the lugs inside the receiver and on the bolt overlap. A Bonnier Corporation Company. As listed by the manufacturer, the Weatherby Vanguard Series 2 Deluxe, $1149 MSRP, is available only in 257 Weatherby, 270 Win., 30-06 Springfield, 300 Win. Operation: Bolt action Our free floated barrels have enough rigidity in the barrel for them to be free floated.”. You devoted far more time to objecting to his threaded barrel comment than he did in actually making it. Many products featured on this site were editorially chosen. I ended up using pieces of foam from some copper tube insulation then threw some tape over it. MSRP is still a tad high compared to some of the other offerings, but its right about on par with the Remington 700 and just feels like the quality is much higher than its Freedom Group-owned counterpart. Adjustable trigger? ” As I read the comments, his flawed critic was eviscerated and showed a cavalier approach to gun review. In exchange for this portability, the rifle loses a touch of its accuracy. Chuck Hawks shares information about Weatherby Vanguard rifles. But when it jumped into the hyperbole of him being “absolutely biased against Weatherby,” it was nonsensical enough to prompt me to respond. Illustration courtesy of Weatherby, Inc. It’s too bad that the three position safety is “a little complex for my taste”. Operation: Bolt action Finish: Matte blue (Rifle DOES NOT come with bipod, scope or mounts) Capacity: 5+1 … Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. The bottom metal is one piece with floorplate. Yep, and that bias is clearly shown by the fact that he gave the rifle an overall score of 4.5 out of a possible 5 stars. but with some hog skulls added to the stock.. Buck naked, that is without scope, fittings, ammo or sling, the Weatherby Vanguard S2 weighed 3.4 kilograms and is 1130 mm in length. The Vanguard is an entry-level rifle to the Weatherby dynasty, where the Mark V … That is a very outdated idea at this point. A word to rifle manufacturers: WOOD. Weatherby Vanguard Review. You got rid of your first vanguard because the barrel was too thin to be threaded, so what’s your plan for tho sone? “An ear cover is much more comfortable than lugging a heavy sound suppressor on the tip of a gun through the woods.”. I am having a feeding issue with my new Vanguard 2 30-06 could you provide any advice rearding this problem before I resort to sending it back to Weatherby. I don’t get why companies can’t just make the comb of the stocks a little bit higher so I don’t need the riser. I have recently purchased this rifle and the comb height is my biggest and only complaint. The vast majority of the creep has been removed, leaving behind what feels on the range like a very crisp break. Also I dislike Remington’s 2 position safety and wish it were a 3 position. It’s time to buy a new 270 rifle for hunting deer out west, MT and WY. Weatherby Vanguard® Series 2 Sporter.270 Winchester. And if you get a better stock the sky is the limit. I feel you have “dropped the ball” on this one. This would have been five stars if they had raised the comb a little bit. Great post, as a lot of the others are too as you’ve mentioned. I shoot a Howa 1500 (same rifle) 30-06 with a Weatherby Deluxe stock I bought and bedded separately. It’s a nice little rifle. In other words, bad mojo. There aren’t many things to go wrong with a bolt action. They weren’t, just sounded and felt that way!!! The new Vanguard Series 2 rifles, on the other hand, are all guaranteed to be 1 MoA or better out of the box. In other words, bad mojo. A 40″ long boltie! kind of goofy but he likes it…, I questioned the non free floating stock but after a discussion with Weatherby I decided to shoot it and see how it grouped. The rifle in question is the “Carbine” variant of the Weatherby Vanguard. So, it looks like this is indeed a good improvement over the previous design. Their regular line could do the job as well but thanks to the remarkably crappy stocks, they didn’t guarantee it. I have a Vanguard Series 2 in .308 which says use .308 only on the barrel. News Flash ::: Ford put weights in my Lincoln Continental doors to make them sound and feel solid. 2 in 300 win mag i reload with 4831 at 69g with 180 g b tips ive bedded the lugs and floated the barrel my nikon buck master 2 scope is not a paper puncher scope but i can keep 1 1/4 groups at 200 yards all day i will up grade my scope to a mill dot but all and all great gun. Customization: * * * * * what would you suggest to be a good bipod for the weatherby vanguard 2 in 30-06, “There is, however, a problem. Easy home fix. Will be testing a Timney in it soon. His concern for the lack of a threading for a silencer is ridiculous.”. If you think you have the skills necessary to do this work and it works for you, go for it, but you might want to think about either starting with a replacement stock, or just simply shop around for a stock that fits you better that you like.References : Ase Utra 14×1 for Weatherby Vanguard Carbine. Swivel studs are nice and in place, there are TONS of aftermarket stocks, and the receiver is drilled for scope mounts. Thank You. Even just looking at it, it appears to be made of higher quality stuff. I too find Chuck Hawks and David Petzal to provide their readers with some of the most accurate, honest and real-world evaluations. I am testing a 20″ Carbine in 308 that they cut down to 16″ and threaded as a test for the suppressor ready market. It is a 1/10 twist and ran subsonic 308 ammo very well. The stocks are terrible, especialy the Stevens gray plastic. Reliability: * * * * * There are self help groups for that. Like other Vanguard Series 2 rifles, the WBY-X line has a crisp, two-stage trigger that is adjustable down to 2.5 pounds. What will they think of next? Next being a Weatherby I’m thinking these had steel bars running under the composite for added strength. You sight this gun as being so much better than the RAR yet there isn’t much review here. The stock is a single piece of injection molded polymer (plastic) that warped and bent with every movement. 5-shot groups that fit within the diameter of a quarter-dollar, no further than 5/8″ off target, using Hornady .30-06 150 grain InterBond. Weight: 7 lbs. The Tikka T3 uses the same “reduced overlap” and it too doesn’t have a 90 degrees throw. They recently did a review on the Benelli Super Nova 12 gauge shotgun and somehow completely missed the innovative-fact that the shotgun will shoot every size shell made. The line was revitalized in 2003 and is now the heart of the Weatherby line. One of the biggest changes for this rifle is the trigger. Size: 40″ overall length Caliber: .308 Winchester (7.62×51 NATO) Free-floating MAY cause accuracy issues. I’ve been looking for a used Vanguard but read that the bolt throw is 90′, is that right, the Browning xbolt has a 60′ throw and my Remington 700 a 70′ bolt throw and has little room left for the scope, Does the Vanguard mount a scope forward?? I have found that reviews from this website are always lacking. I am going to test for various standard 308 ammo soon. It’s essentially the same rifle, 20″ barrel, etc. Lacking in research, lacking in explanation, etc. There were three main problems with the original Vanguard rifle: the trigger was creepier than Uncle Joey, the stock looked and felt like it was designed by Kia (i.e. The previous incarnation had a standard two position safety, but this version has three — fire, safe with the ability to work the action, and safe with the action locked. I’m very happy with my Weatherby V2. No problem! Why would a hunter or a shooter be concerned about a silencer. Eddie Sanders, the issue may be that the magazine leaf-spring hasn’t enough upward tension on it. They all will cluster (3 shot groups) inside of 1 inch. What brand cheek riser did you use on this rifle? While one person can always thread his gun if he is so inclined, using the lack of thread as a reason for denigrating a gun is very poor. Which just leaves the accuracy. Capacity: 5+1 I can only imagine the struggle with a Model 70 safety. For testing, we topped the .240 Wby. The same way you can tell the quality of an automobile by closing the car door you can tell the quality of a firearm by working the bolt. (Rifle DOES NOT come with bipod, scope or mounts) Of course, I suppose you should just buy a 700 at that point… oh well. The Vanguard is designed to have pressure on front just like Mosin-Nagant. Forget 175 grain. The problem is that their first attempt sucked (relative to what they were capable of doing — I still gave it four stars). Weatherby Vanguard Series 2 Carbine. Name another hunting rifle in this price class with a threaded barrel. I personally prefer the Vanguard design to the Weatherby Mark V for general hunting of non-dangerous game(not quite as pretty but more functional) . Hunters can select their Vanguard First Lite in four flat-shooting, hard-hitting Weatherby Magnum calibers (240 Wby Mag, 257 Wby Mag, 6.5-300 Wby Mag, and 300 Wby Mag) and four traditional rounds (270 Win, 308 Win, 30-06 Sprg and 300 Win). The Howa bolt action is a good one, ... Howa 1500 SC package - review & range report - Sniper Central Weatherby Vanguard. This barrel is of a slimline sporter profile and the stock is synthetic.The Weatherby Vanguard S2 is offered in a range of standard calibres, from 223 Rem to 375 H&H, as well as a selection of the famous Weatherby Magnum calibres. I thank you for any help you can offer. Cooper Arms Classic series CZ 550 American Premium Grade Kimber Models 84M and 8400 Select Grade Remington Model 700 Custom C Grade Sako 85 Classic and Deluxe Steyr Classic Mannlicher Thompson/Center Icon Weatherby Mark V Deluxe, EuroMark and AccuMark Weatherby Vanguard Series 2 Deluxe Winchester Model 70 Super Grade Copyright © 2020 Field & Stream. New stocks are available, and relatively cheap. He reduced case length from 2.850” to 2.549”, straightened the side walls, and added his double radius shoulder which was perhaps more showmanship than substance. When I called Weatherby and spoke to a customer service rep gave him the serial number and told him my trouble he chuckled and said someone would get back to me they never did I had to call a second time. I was getting .3″ center to center groups with Barnes 120g TTSX out of the first box. Of the two solutions, only one allows me to do both of those things. The Weatherby Vanguard Sporter is Weatherby's less expensive walnut stocked, bolt action centerfire rifle. “The problem is that their first attempt sucked (relative to what they were capable of doing — I still gave it four stars)”. Weatherby is known the world around as a maker of extremely fine firearms, especially of the hunting variety. Weatherby is always striving to improve its products, so in 2011 they introduced the new Vanguard Series 2 rifle. But, until then, you’re going to have to be happy with four point five stars. Again, the comb of the stock is the main issue with the remaining star. I have a Stevens 200 and an old Savage 110 both with plastic stocks. The comb of the stock appears to be designed to line your eyes up with the top of the barrel, but the observant reader will note that there are no iron sights. And on a final note…Remington’s ejector’s are weak in comparison to Weatherby’s. Barrels on the Weatherby Vanguard Modular Chassis rifles also come threaded for a sound suppressor (1 ⁄ 2 x28 for .223 Rem. Your email address will not be published. All in all, what we have here is a definite improvement over the original Vanguard. Perhaps they should offer a Brown Bess reproduction with a polymer stock…. WFBA. It doesn’t seem so. The series 2 is somewhere around $100 – $150 more than its older brother, but that money appears to be money well spent. The way the rifle is designed, its Sub-MOA guarantee will only be affective, if upward pressure from the end of the forearm stock is kept in place. Just to make it less shiny to match the other black rubber pieces I scuffed it up with some sand paper. I suspect that with any other name on it you wouldn’t be so quick to nitpick. this writer needs a lesson from chuck hawks or david petzal….those 2 guys know how to write a reveiw..as soon as i got to the part of the article that he mentioned the rifle needs to be free floated,showed me,he doesn’t know rifles or how to write an informative article…. A safety that locks the bolt prevents the bolt from becoming inadvertently opened by objects one encounters in the field… I have had it happen to me, but was fortunate enough to know it happened. LOL. Reproduction in whole or in part without permission is prohibited. An ear cover is much more comfortable than lugging a heavy sound suppressor on the tip of a gun through the woods. “Why are some Weatherby® rifles “free floated” and some are not? Sitting here on my couch I can still feel a tiny bit of creep, but not nearly as much as there was in the original. Also a silencer adds weight at the wrong place of the gun. The rosewood forend and the clean, fine checkering really set this rifle apart. Could be that. Looking for a Walnut Monte Carlo stock for my S2. Founded in 1945, Weatherby, Inc.’s line features the new WBY-X products as well as the popular Vanguard® Series 2 and legendary Mark V rifles (production and … The Series 2 fixed a number of issues with the stock, but it still isn’t free floating.”, You complain about that the barrel isn’t free floating and reduce your “scoring” of the rifle, yet the rifle still has 1 MOA. You discredited yourself in the first paragraph, unless your rating is 10 stars for perfection. 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